Interesting. Hadn't realized that there was such an extent of non-egalitarianism or whatever. Like virtually every form I've seen in my life here [Colorado] has the disclaimer we don't blah blah blah by race gender creed orientation programming-language-preference Macintosh-user-status Metallican-fan by order of blah blah blah.
Though there's a couple things i would take to issue.
1: From all i've seen read studied [ie in college sociology or anthropology or whatever courses], about 87% of America claims to be Christian. Thus i'm not entirely sure where that 45% is coming from.
2: I do somewhat take exception to the assumption that everyone who is a member of x group [in this case people who assert on national census surveys or whatever that they are Christian] automatically detest hate fear attack-on-sight willfully-discriminate-against anyone who happens to be homosexual.
I in fact know many people who may disagree with homosexuality, but will in no way be hateful vengeful brainwashedly-zealous about it or whatever. As a corrolary, i myself am a vegetarian but that does not mean i automatically go hate on and try to guilt-trip or convert or whatever people who eat meat, leaves more Tofu for me if nothing else.
3: As a corollary to number 2, believe it or not, not everyone who disagrees with homosexuality is Christian or even vaguely religious. I can't right off give an outlined cited example of all the reasons people may or may not agree, but i can assert that not everyone who disagrees it's because of some 'religious brainwashing' or whatever.
4: Similarly, not everyone who is Christian is in fact a rabid Bush's-leg-humping Republican. For that matter most Republicans aren't that rabidly zealous or whatever either. There are, believe it or not, Democratic Christians, Socialist Christians [for instance the man who wrote the Pledge of Allegience was a Socialist Christian Baptist pastor], Green Party Christians, &c &c.
5: Relating back to number 2, as is almost always the case, the very vocal opinionated bigoted whatever demographic also tends to be the extreme minority. Thus, the number of people who tote around God Hates Fags signs [aside from being rampantly moronic and doing an extreme dis-service to the creed and faith they pretend to represent], are probably an even smaller minority percentage-wise than the number of homosexuals in this nation [i hear figures anywhere from 6-11% depending on how one counts or breaks it down].
6: As much as i do not think or claim Bush is by any means perfect, the other candidates have done, if anything, an outstanding job of not inspiring me with any sort of confidence as to their competence coherence integrity or general ability to make up their mind on an issue or claim [cough Kerry, repeatedly, cough]. Now i'm not saying that necessarily makes Kerry or whomever a bad person, or Bush a saint. Just that, well basically it looks like they all lose.
7: Therefore [if you really wanted i could diagram the symbolic logic of this series], while i agree that non-dscrimination is totally a good policy or legislation or whatever, i by no means see anything which would seem to lead me to the same sort of Neo-McCarthyist Queer-Scare Witch-Hunt conclusion that you seem to derive from the fact that so few states have this legislation. The possible alternative [though note possible, just what came to mind first], is that it hasn't been enough of an issue for them to have needed to legislate on it; now i have no way of backing that up, like i said it's just a thought. However.
No offense, mind you. Just had to express a few things.
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Date: 2004-05-01 12:15 am (UTC)Though there's a couple things i would take to issue.
1: From all i've seen read studied [ie in college sociology or anthropology or whatever courses], about 87% of America claims to be Christian. Thus i'm not entirely sure where that 45% is coming from.
2: I do somewhat take exception to the assumption that everyone who is a member of x group [in this case people who assert on national census surveys or whatever that they are Christian] automatically detest hate fear attack-on-sight willfully-discriminate-against anyone who happens to be homosexual.
I in fact know many people who may disagree with homosexuality, but will in no way be hateful vengeful brainwashedly-zealous about it or whatever. As a corrolary, i myself am a vegetarian but that does not mean i automatically go hate on and try to guilt-trip or convert or whatever people who eat meat, leaves more Tofu for me if nothing else.
3: As a corollary to number 2, believe it or not, not everyone who disagrees with homosexuality is Christian or even vaguely religious. I can't right off give an outlined cited example of all the reasons people may or may not agree, but i can assert that not everyone who disagrees it's because of some 'religious brainwashing' or whatever.
4: Similarly, not everyone who is Christian is in fact a rabid Bush's-leg-humping Republican. For that matter most Republicans aren't that rabidly zealous or whatever either. There are, believe it or not, Democratic Christians, Socialist Christians [for instance the man who wrote the Pledge of Allegience was a Socialist Christian Baptist pastor], Green Party Christians, &c &c.
5: Relating back to number 2, as is almost always the case, the very vocal opinionated bigoted whatever demographic also tends to be the extreme minority. Thus, the number of people who tote around God Hates Fags signs [aside from being rampantly moronic and doing an extreme dis-service to the creed and faith they pretend to represent], are probably an even smaller minority percentage-wise than the number of homosexuals in this nation [i hear figures anywhere from 6-11% depending on how one counts or breaks it down].
6: As much as i do not think or claim Bush is by any means perfect, the other candidates have done, if anything, an outstanding job of not inspiring me with any sort of confidence as to their competence coherence integrity or general ability to make up their mind on an issue or claim [cough Kerry, repeatedly, cough]. Now i'm not saying that necessarily makes Kerry or whomever a bad person, or Bush a saint. Just that, well basically it looks like they all lose.
7: Therefore [if you really wanted i could diagram the symbolic logic of this series], while i agree that non-dscrimination is totally a good policy or legislation or whatever, i by no means see anything which would seem to lead me to the same sort of Neo-McCarthyist Queer-Scare Witch-Hunt conclusion that you seem to derive from the fact that so few states have this legislation. The possible alternative [though note possible, just what came to mind first], is that it hasn't been enough of an issue for them to have needed to legislate on it; now i have no way of backing that up, like i said it's just a thought. However.
No offense, mind you. Just had to express a few things.